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		<title>By: Rohan Maitzen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rohan Maitzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2013 01:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s an interesting example to give me, actually, Robin, since I routinely assign Agatha Christie (in a class on mystery fiction) and spend quite a bit of time in those classes talking about questions of literary merit. I don&#039;t like the idea of using James as a stick to beat her with: she&#039;s very, very good at the kind of book she writes, which is a kind of book that has very different aims and literary features than the kind of book James writes. To stir things up, in fact, I typically use her as a stick to beat her modernist contemporaries with! Where is it written that difficulty of &lt;i&gt;their&lt;/i&gt; kind is an absolute literary good -- or that mastery of &lt;i&gt;her&lt;/i&gt; kind counts for nothing?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an interesting example to give me, actually, Robin, since I routinely assign Agatha Christie (in a class on mystery fiction) and spend quite a bit of time in those classes talking about questions of literary merit. I don&#8217;t like the idea of using James as a stick to beat her with: she&#8217;s very, very good at the kind of book she writes, which is a kind of book that has very different aims and literary features than the kind of book James writes. To stir things up, in fact, I typically use her as a stick to beat her modernist contemporaries with! Where is it written that difficulty of <i>their</i> kind is an absolute literary good &#8212; or that mastery of <i>her</i> kind counts for nothing?</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 20:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But yes you could assign a bad book to your class. One literature/writing class assigned an Agatha Christie and a Henry James to show the difference, not to suggest that both were equally good or that both had to be good. Sometimes after you read the good stuff, it is painful to go back and read the tripe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But yes you could assign a bad book to your class. One literature/writing class assigned an Agatha Christie and a Henry James to show the difference, not to suggest that both were equally good or that both had to be good. Sometimes after you read the good stuff, it is painful to go back and read the tripe.</p>
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		<title>By: Rohan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 15:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tom, that Tumblr is hilarious! And its comedy is entirely relevant, because any author whose style is so vulnerable to parody is surely vulnerable to just the debate we&#039;ve been having here.

Rebecca, I agree that ultimately we have to judge writers at their best, though what their &quot;best&quot; is may also come up for debate. Some I&#039;ve spoken with like &lt;i&gt;The Road&lt;/i&gt; because it is more accessible and less violent than McCarthy&#039;s other novels. While I agree that we can&#039;t make &quot;correct grammar&quot; our cut-off point for good literature, and that the most extreme critics quoted here are, as you say, standing by their personal taste as if it represents an objective standard, I am not so sure how we can tell that you and The Kid (who also quotes a passage he considers definitive) aren&#039;t doing the same in reverse. Is it really so self-evident that &lt;i&gt;these&lt;/i&gt; sentences refute criticisms of McCarthy&#039;s style?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, that Tumblr is hilarious! And its comedy is entirely relevant, because any author whose style is so vulnerable to parody is surely vulnerable to just the debate we&#8217;ve been having here.</p>
<p>Rebecca, I agree that ultimately we have to judge writers at their best, though what their &#8220;best&#8221; is may also come up for debate. Some I&#8217;ve spoken with like <i>The Road</i> because it is more accessible and less violent than McCarthy&#8217;s other novels. While I agree that we can&#8217;t make &#8220;correct grammar&#8221; our cut-off point for good literature, and that the most extreme critics quoted here are, as you say, standing by their personal taste as if it represents an objective standard, I am not so sure how we can tell that you and The Kid (who also quotes a passage he considers definitive) aren&#8217;t doing the same in reverse. Is it really so self-evident that <i>these</i> sentences refute criticisms of McCarthy&#8217;s style?</p>
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		<title>By: Amateur Reader (Tom)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amateur Reader (Tom)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 02:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is that line from a parody Tumblr where &quot;McCarthy&quot; gives investment advice?  Link please - I would love to read that.  Even is it is not as good as his &lt;a href=&quot;http://yelpingwithcormac.tumblr.com/post/12489902966/jamba-juice&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Yelp review of Jamba Juice&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that line from a parody Tumblr where &#8220;McCarthy&#8221; gives investment advice?  Link please &#8211; I would love to read that.  Even is it is not as good as his <a href="http://yelpingwithcormac.tumblr.com/post/12489902966/jamba-juice" rel="nofollow">Yelp review of Jamba Juice</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 00:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Realize I&#039;m coming to this late and somewhat re-hashing some of the other comments, but three things:

I think it&#039;s rather a shame to make a judgment on McCarthy being a good or bad writer based on The Road. It&#039;s a fine book, but McCarthy at his best is where we should judge his prose (and from that point I&#039;m fine taking issue with his other works in relation to how they fail to hit that mark).  In other words, we should look to Blood Meridian.

The criticisms based on grammar are laughable in my opinion. As another commentator said, what&#039;s really going on there is personal taste masquerading as an objective flaw. Faulker, Joyce, Woolf, and many others did amazing things with grammatically incorrect prose, just as McCarthy does.

Last, how can anyone call the man a terrible writer who wrote this line?

&quot;He thought the world&#039;s heart beat at some terrible cost and that the world&#039;s pain and its beauty moved in a relationship of diverging equity and that in this headlong deficit the blood of multitudes might ultimately be exacted for the vision of a single flower.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Realize I&#8217;m coming to this late and somewhat re-hashing some of the other comments, but three things:</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s rather a shame to make a judgment on McCarthy being a good or bad writer based on The Road. It&#8217;s a fine book, but McCarthy at his best is where we should judge his prose (and from that point I&#8217;m fine taking issue with his other works in relation to how they fail to hit that mark).  In other words, we should look to Blood Meridian.</p>
<p>The criticisms based on grammar are laughable in my opinion. As another commentator said, what&#8217;s really going on there is personal taste masquerading as an objective flaw. Faulker, Joyce, Woolf, and many others did amazing things with grammatically incorrect prose, just as McCarthy does.</p>
<p>Last, how can anyone call the man a terrible writer who wrote this line?</p>
<p>&#8220;He thought the world&#8217;s heart beat at some terrible cost and that the world&#8217;s pain and its beauty moved in a relationship of diverging equity and that in this headlong deficit the blood of multitudes might ultimately be exacted for the vision of a single flower.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rohan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Helpful to know, Mark - especially since one of the fair questions this post has provoked (here and on Twitter) is whether &lt;i&gt;The Road&lt;/i&gt; can be taken as typical enough to start this conversation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helpful to know, Mark &#8211; especially since one of the fair questions this post has provoked (here and on Twitter) is whether <i>The Road</i> can be taken as typical enough to start this conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: Rohan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Craig, that&#039;s actually exactly how I ended up teaching &lt;i&gt;The Road&lt;/i&gt; -- I have been teaching Ishiguro and McEwan in my intro class as my examples of contemporary fiction, but I know that my choices reflect my own tendency towards certain styles and interests, so I asked around on Twitter for recommendations, read a few of them, and ended up choosing &lt;i&gt;The Road&lt;/i&gt;. As you say, it&#039;s a moving target, and of course the &#039;canon&#039; is not settled even as provisionally as it is for the Victorians or the Moderns.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, that&#8217;s actually exactly how I ended up teaching <i>The Road</i> &#8212; I have been teaching Ishiguro and McEwan in my intro class as my examples of contemporary fiction, but I know that my choices reflect my own tendency towards certain styles and interests, so I asked around on Twitter for recommendations, read a few of them, and ended up choosing <i>The Road</i>. As you say, it&#8217;s a moving target, and of course the &#8216;canon&#8217; is not settled even as provisionally as it is for the Victorians or the Moderns.</p>
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		<title>By: Rohan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Benjamin, while I can understand in one sense why you&#039;d say that, I&#039;m also not sure it&#039;s a fair response. Would you say the same thing to someone who wanted to talk about Flaubert&#039;s style having read only &lt;i&gt;Madame Bovary&lt;/i&gt;? Maybe you would!

But in any case, this post is about starting a process, not finishing it. Reading one book is an important step, right, because that&#039;s what determines whether you&#039;ll go on and read more -- especially when, as with McCarthy, the style is unusual to the point of provocative. My impression is that his style across his oeuvre has many similar features: if &lt;i&gt;The Road&lt;/i&gt; were considered completely atypical then we&#039;d be in a different situation.

Even so--even though (based on the discussion that the post has prompted) I think the questions &lt;i&gt;The Road&lt;/i&gt; provoked in me do have wider application--I do regret having given the post such a broad title! But I think the post itself focuses on pretty specific details and on legitimate questions about McCarthy&#039;s style raised by &lt;i&gt;The Road&lt;/i&gt; -- and the discussion in the comments has been, for me, extremely stimulating and informative.

I take it that you have read more McCarthy than I have so far: I&#039;m curious whether you are an admirer, and if so, whether you appreciated his style immediately or, as was the case with me, you had to think about it before you committed yourself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benjamin, while I can understand in one sense why you&#8217;d say that, I&#8217;m also not sure it&#8217;s a fair response. Would you say the same thing to someone who wanted to talk about Flaubert&#8217;s style having read only <i>Madame Bovary</i>? Maybe you would!</p>
<p>But in any case, this post is about starting a process, not finishing it. Reading one book is an important step, right, because that&#8217;s what determines whether you&#8217;ll go on and read more &#8212; especially when, as with McCarthy, the style is unusual to the point of provocative. My impression is that his style across his oeuvre has many similar features: if <i>The Road</i> were considered completely atypical then we&#8217;d be in a different situation.</p>
<p>Even so&#8211;even though (based on the discussion that the post has prompted) I think the questions <i>The Road</i> provoked in me do have wider application&#8211;I do regret having given the post such a broad title! But I think the post itself focuses on pretty specific details and on legitimate questions about McCarthy&#8217;s style raised by <i>The Road</i> &#8212; and the discussion in the comments has been, for me, extremely stimulating and informative.</p>
<p>I take it that you have read more McCarthy than I have so far: I&#8217;m curious whether you are an admirer, and if so, whether you appreciated his style immediately or, as was the case with me, you had to think about it before you committed yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin van Loon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin van Loon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can&#039;t take a critique of McCarthy&#039;s prose seriously if the critic has only read one book by McCarthy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t take a critique of McCarthy&#8217;s prose seriously if the critic has only read one book by McCarthy.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Monk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Monk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 22:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For very selfish reasons, I love threads like these.  I know there are innovations in Victorian studies, just as there are innovations in modernism.  And there is no more reason to keep throwing Wuthering Heights on a survey than there is to keep rebooting Gatsby.  But those of us who are not contemporary lit experts, who are still expected to teach 1800-present, might find that &quot;present&quot; a moving target.  I&#039;ve had some luck with Ishiguro, Cormac McCarthy, Tom McCarthy, Shteyngart, Winterson...  But Wallace is a bear.  Stories and essays, maybe.  Let us  all know if you don&#039;t drown in the footnotes of IJ.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For very selfish reasons, I love threads like these.  I know there are innovations in Victorian studies, just as there are innovations in modernism.  And there is no more reason to keep throwing Wuthering Heights on a survey than there is to keep rebooting Gatsby.  But those of us who are not contemporary lit experts, who are still expected to teach 1800-present, might find that &#8220;present&#8221; a moving target.  I&#8217;ve had some luck with Ishiguro, Cormac McCarthy, Tom McCarthy, Shteyngart, Winterson&#8230;  But Wallace is a bear.  Stories and essays, maybe.  Let us  all know if you don&#8217;t drown in the footnotes of IJ.</p>
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