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		<description><![CDATA[LIQUOR STORE STICK-UP (A RAP IN OTTAVA RIMA )
1
Clerk counted the cash; made a time lock drop;
Fingers tell him &quot;take it&quot; but legs won&#039;t walk.
Near closing time at the Liquor Quick Stop,
When a whore drags in off the auction block.
Orient eyes say for a pint she&#039;ll swap
Whatever he wants from her private stock.
Clerk&#039;s wife and kids home snuggled down in bed;
While down behind the counter whore gives head.
2
Out on the street they call her Miss Saigon-
Mouth and pussy hot as a napalm bomb;
A war bride&#039;s baby whose daddy moved on;
She learned sucky-fuck from her Viet mom.
Pro at 14; was a cop her first john,
Used to be a grunt in the Vietnam.
Caught, dealing dope, she stuck her ass up bare;
Said: “Cop, take a shot with your ground-to-air.”
3
Down on her knees showing silicone tit,
Once a soft touch now insensible brick.
Her cat scratch tongue and lips and hand don&#039;t quit
Till she&#039;s sucked him bone dry and slurped his thick.
Her eyes smile up, but stare in her obit;
Handbags got a gun but she ain&#039;t that quick.
Very last thought before she&#039;s bagged airtight:
“White motherfucker got it free tonight.”
4
Drags her in a storeroom; dick still erect;
He ain&#039;t felt this good since he left Art Tech.
Tops in his class at the Special Effect;
The Movies said: “Genius, write your own check.”
Too much, too soon, and he totally wrecked;
Lucky that his lady studied home-ec.
Then staring down at delirium&#039;s titty,
He saw his road back to living Fat City.
5
Props her in a chair; wrestles off her dress;
Steps back and whistles at his late night guest;
Thinks: “Doc did her tits was genius, no less,
Carved Botticelli&#039;s on a silk thin chest.”
He bends down close pets her pussy&#039;s recess
Knows it was trophied in the old time West;
Sets in to skin it with a razor blade;
Now he&#039;s got a pussy scalp custom made.
6
He weaves the silky pelt through his gold throat chain,
A spoil of war in the human skin game;
Been played like that since the Abel and Cain;
&quot;Victim&quot; is History&quot;s immortal brand name.
Each against all for the capital gain.
Justified Sinners make the Halls of Fame;
Like Natural Born Scientists in Nobel guise
Helped &quot;give &#039;em hell&quot; Harry make Nippon fries.
7
Clerk only wants the American Dream;
Doesn&#039;t give a shit its history&#039;s obscene;
Doesn&#039;t give a damn who he&#039;s got to demean
To get his credits on the silver screen.
Thinks: “A whore, no matter how it might seem,
Just ain&#039;t human- it&#039;s a vending machine.”
He hurries back up front to shut the store;
Then cleans the &quot;change&quot; she dropped at Death&#039;s door.
8
Time to start work: he ropes her ankles tight;
Hangs her head downward from a ceiling pipe.
Then slits her wrists with a razor blade&#039;s bite-
Got to drain blood before she turns to ripe.
Splits her flat belly; spills her guts outright,
Swabbing out the hollow using Handiwipe.
Rub a dub dub blood and guts in a tub
Thinks: “I&#039;m halfway back to the Country Club.”
9
Cuts her carcass down; folds back her new crack-
Butchered piece of meat got to be repacked.
Lugs out a carton of Maxi Pad Pack;
Soaks it in rum make a taste your last act.
A wino said it&#039;s like drinking shellac; 
Just what he needs to hold her gut intact.
Just to make certain her neck holds her head,
He scoops out her brain places pads instead.
10
Sealed with plastic tape from her breasts to clit,
Hangs her up again with an I.V. drip;
Booze filled veins start to harden like her tit;
Thinks: “What a shame he can&#039;t take a last dip.”
Suddenly though from his brain&#039;s snake pit
Crawls an idea from a snuff film clip:
Hard, he cuts her down, shoves his closest kin
Up her &quot;dinky&quot; ass till rigor sets in.
11
Sits down in a chair with the whore on top,
One hand grabs tit while its brother hooks twat;
Her asshole squeezes till his eyeballs pop;
It&#039;s time to pull out but his prick stays caught.
Pumps her up and down but she won&#039;t co-op;
His dick is stuck fast up her asshole&#039;s grot.
The bump and grind makes his semen explode
Which acts the enema on her last load.
12
His dick slicks free slimied sticky stink brown;
Grabs his ground-to-air glad it&#039;s safe and sound;
Cleans up her pile, washes both of them down;
Now to get her dressed, get her posed hardbound.
Wrestles on her mini- the street deb&#039;s gown.
It&#039;s meant to hook the interest that banks compound.
Rich debs sell it at &quot;till death do you part;&quot;
While a street deb peddles it a la carte.
13
Lifts her from the chair then sticks up her ass
A long-handled broom helps her stand steadfast;
He smoothes down her dress, makes her up first class,
But he can&#039;t hide the truth that her eyes broadcast.
Dark glasses cover up what he&#039;s brought to pass;
Now one last trick to make his icon last:
From her short black hair to her feet high-heeled,
He spray coats his sculpture with Scotchguard Shield.
14
Like Greek Galatea she thrills his pride;
But now the myth&#039;s been Americanized:
She&#039;s no sex object; she can&#039;t be a bride;
She&#039;s American woman idolized.
He&#039;s gone extreme that&#039;s pretty cut and dried; 
But he&#039;s just a man Americanized:
He makes his money any way he can;
And now she&#039;s a star in the store&#039;s floor plan.
15
Hidden in the racks of the best champagne,
One hand holds a gun, the other a frame.
(No stick&#039;s needed now to help her feign
A threatening pose in the clerk’s con game.)
She&#039;s turned toward the wall, &quot;pardon-me&#039;s&quot; are vain
So you rub on past this deaf and dumb dame;
Your heart almost stops when you see her gun
Then you get the joke and you poke some fun.
16
His agent came and looked; said, &quot;I&#039;d swear it bleeds.
What you&#039;ve done only genius could conceive.
You&#039;ve made from trash a figure that concedes
The desperate life of a modern Eve.
The gun in her hand shows where it all leads,
If you don&#039;t keep them locked in make believe.
You&#039;re back on the Movies&#039; Most Wanted List;
But dump the body, boy, just in case it&#039;s missed.&quot;


  Is this a poem?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LIQUOR STORE STICK-UP (A RAP IN OTTAVA RIMA )<br />
1<br />
Clerk counted the cash; made a time lock drop;<br />
Fingers tell him &#8220;take it&#8221; but legs won&#8217;t walk.<br />
Near closing time at the Liquor Quick Stop,<br />
When a whore drags in off the auction block.<br />
Orient eyes say for a pint she&#8217;ll swap<br />
Whatever he wants from her private stock.<br />
Clerk&#8217;s wife and kids home snuggled down in bed;<br />
While down behind the counter whore gives head.<br />
2<br />
Out on the street they call her Miss Saigon-<br />
Mouth and pussy hot as a napalm bomb;<br />
A war bride&#8217;s baby whose daddy moved on;<br />
She learned sucky-fuck from her Viet mom.<br />
Pro at 14; was a cop her first john,<br />
Used to be a grunt in the Vietnam.<br />
Caught, dealing dope, she stuck her ass up bare;<br />
Said: “Cop, take a shot with your ground-to-air.”<br />
3<br />
Down on her knees showing silicone tit,<br />
Once a soft touch now insensible brick.<br />
Her cat scratch tongue and lips and hand don&#8217;t quit<br />
Till she&#8217;s sucked him bone dry and slurped his thick.<br />
Her eyes smile up, but stare in her obit;<br />
Handbags got a gun but she ain&#8217;t that quick.<br />
Very last thought before she&#8217;s bagged airtight:<br />
“White motherfucker got it free tonight.”<br />
4<br />
Drags her in a storeroom; dick still erect;<br />
He ain&#8217;t felt this good since he left Art Tech.<br />
Tops in his class at the Special Effect;<br />
The Movies said: “Genius, write your own check.”<br />
Too much, too soon, and he totally wrecked;<br />
Lucky that his lady studied home-ec.<br />
Then staring down at delirium&#8217;s titty,<br />
He saw his road back to living Fat City.<br />
5<br />
Props her in a chair; wrestles off her dress;<br />
Steps back and whistles at his late night guest;<br />
Thinks: “Doc did her tits was genius, no less,<br />
Carved Botticelli&#8217;s on a silk thin chest.”<br />
He bends down close pets her pussy&#8217;s recess<br />
Knows it was trophied in the old time West;<br />
Sets in to skin it with a razor blade;<br />
Now he&#8217;s got a pussy scalp custom made.<br />
6<br />
He weaves the silky pelt through his gold throat chain,<br />
A spoil of war in the human skin game;<br />
Been played like that since the Abel and Cain;<br />
&#8220;Victim&#8221; is History&#8221;s immortal brand name.<br />
Each against all for the capital gain.<br />
Justified Sinners make the Halls of Fame;<br />
Like Natural Born Scientists in Nobel guise<br />
Helped &#8220;give &#8216;em hell&#8221; Harry make Nippon fries.<br />
7<br />
Clerk only wants the American Dream;<br />
Doesn&#8217;t give a shit its history&#8217;s obscene;<br />
Doesn&#8217;t give a damn who he&#8217;s got to demean<br />
To get his credits on the silver screen.<br />
Thinks: “A whore, no matter how it might seem,<br />
Just ain&#8217;t human- it&#8217;s a vending machine.”<br />
He hurries back up front to shut the store;<br />
Then cleans the &#8220;change&#8221; she dropped at Death&#8217;s door.<br />
8<br />
Time to start work: he ropes her ankles tight;<br />
Hangs her head downward from a ceiling pipe.<br />
Then slits her wrists with a razor blade&#8217;s bite-<br />
Got to drain blood before she turns to ripe.<br />
Splits her flat belly; spills her guts outright,<br />
Swabbing out the hollow using Handiwipe.<br />
Rub a dub dub blood and guts in a tub<br />
Thinks: “I&#8217;m halfway back to the Country Club.”<br />
9<br />
Cuts her carcass down; folds back her new crack-<br />
Butchered piece of meat got to be repacked.<br />
Lugs out a carton of Maxi Pad Pack;<br />
Soaks it in rum make a taste your last act.<br />
A wino said it&#8217;s like drinking shellac;<br />
Just what he needs to hold her gut intact.<br />
Just to make certain her neck holds her head,<br />
He scoops out her brain places pads instead.<br />
10<br />
Sealed with plastic tape from her breasts to clit,<br />
Hangs her up again with an I.V. drip;<br />
Booze filled veins start to harden like her tit;<br />
Thinks: “What a shame he can&#8217;t take a last dip.”<br />
Suddenly though from his brain&#8217;s snake pit<br />
Crawls an idea from a snuff film clip:<br />
Hard, he cuts her down, shoves his closest kin<br />
Up her &#8220;dinky&#8221; ass till rigor sets in.<br />
11<br />
Sits down in a chair with the whore on top,<br />
One hand grabs tit while its brother hooks twat;<br />
Her asshole squeezes till his eyeballs pop;<br />
It&#8217;s time to pull out but his prick stays caught.<br />
Pumps her up and down but she won&#8217;t co-op;<br />
His dick is stuck fast up her asshole&#8217;s grot.<br />
The bump and grind makes his semen explode<br />
Which acts the enema on her last load.<br />
12<br />
His dick slicks free slimied sticky stink brown;<br />
Grabs his ground-to-air glad it&#8217;s safe and sound;<br />
Cleans up her pile, washes both of them down;<br />
Now to get her dressed, get her posed hardbound.<br />
Wrestles on her mini- the street deb&#8217;s gown.<br />
It&#8217;s meant to hook the interest that banks compound.<br />
Rich debs sell it at &#8220;till death do you part;&#8221;<br />
While a street deb peddles it a la carte.<br />
13<br />
Lifts her from the chair then sticks up her ass<br />
A long-handled broom helps her stand steadfast;<br />
He smoothes down her dress, makes her up first class,<br />
But he can&#8217;t hide the truth that her eyes broadcast.<br />
Dark glasses cover up what he&#8217;s brought to pass;<br />
Now one last trick to make his icon last:<br />
From her short black hair to her feet high-heeled,<br />
He spray coats his sculpture with Scotchguard Shield.<br />
14<br />
Like Greek Galatea she thrills his pride;<br />
But now the myth&#8217;s been Americanized:<br />
She&#8217;s no sex object; she can&#8217;t be a bride;<br />
She&#8217;s American woman idolized.<br />
He&#8217;s gone extreme that&#8217;s pretty cut and dried;<br />
But he&#8217;s just a man Americanized:<br />
He makes his money any way he can;<br />
And now she&#8217;s a star in the store&#8217;s floor plan.<br />
15<br />
Hidden in the racks of the best champagne,<br />
One hand holds a gun, the other a frame.<br />
(No stick&#8217;s needed now to help her feign<br />
A threatening pose in the clerk’s con game.)<br />
She&#8217;s turned toward the wall, &#8220;pardon-me&#8217;s&#8221; are vain<br />
So you rub on past this deaf and dumb dame;<br />
Your heart almost stops when you see her gun<br />
Then you get the joke and you poke some fun.<br />
16<br />
His agent came and looked; said, &#8220;I&#8217;d swear it bleeds.<br />
What you&#8217;ve done only genius could conceive.<br />
You&#8217;ve made from trash a figure that concedes<br />
The desperate life of a modern Eve.<br />
The gun in her hand shows where it all leads,<br />
If you don&#8217;t keep them locked in make believe.<br />
You&#8217;re back on the Movies&#8217; Most Wanted List;<br />
But dump the body, boy, just in case it&#8217;s missed.&#8221;</p>
<p>  Is this a poem?</p>
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		<title>By: Semiotics, deconstruction, New Criticism, blah, blah, blah. Poetry is in crisis, says Joseph Wood, and careless theorizing is to blame&#8230; &#171; alangarrigan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Semiotics, deconstruction, New Criticism, blah, blah, blah. Poetry is in crisis, says Joseph Wood, and careless theorizing is to blame&#8230; &#171; alangarrigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2011 02:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Joseph Wood on Poetry and Life &#124; John Flood (RUG)</title>
		<link>http://www.openlettersmonthly.com/taxonomy-and-grace/comment-page-2/#comment-4860</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Wood on Poetry and Life &#124; John Flood (RUG)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 23:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: marc pietrzykowski &#187; Two articles</title>
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		<dc:creator>marc pietrzykowski &#187; Two articles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2011 17:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rick Marriner</title>
		<link>http://www.openlettersmonthly.com/taxonomy-and-grace/comment-page-2/#comment-4567</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Marriner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 15:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The article is well written, in my BS/MBA opinion.  It sets out to complain and it does so. Was it worth it? Perhaps it changes one person, maybe it prevents a suicide.  I like the sentiment of writing because it might impact one other person.  Writing to be commercially successful is another matter, I assume. We don&#039;t make the rules that define commercial success.  The market makes the rules. 

After spending part of the week mulling over larger problems and &quot;real life&quot; issues concerning on harder topics, this article seems a little navel-centric.  It is a fun read nonetheless.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article is well written, in my BS/MBA opinion.  It sets out to complain and it does so. Was it worth it? Perhaps it changes one person, maybe it prevents a suicide.  I like the sentiment of writing because it might impact one other person.  Writing to be commercially successful is another matter, I assume. We don&#8217;t make the rules that define commercial success.  The market makes the rules. </p>
<p>After spending part of the week mulling over larger problems and &#8220;real life&#8221; issues concerning on harder topics, this article seems a little navel-centric.  It is a fun read nonetheless.</p>
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		<title>By: Ana Bozicevic</title>
		<link>http://www.openlettersmonthly.com/taxonomy-and-grace/comment-page-2/#comment-4297</link>
		<dc:creator>Ana Bozicevic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, because Dickinson, Stevens, Derrida, Proust, Woolf -- all of whom are dead, canonical &quot;greats&quot; btw -- are all totally objective writers. Right. I was re-reading Proust just recently, and as wonderful as the prose was (at times -- I also found him &quot;overwritten, dense and at times pretentious,&quot; as you say of the writer of this piece), the striking misogyny and offhand classism (eg, the way Swan regards servants as animals), unbalanced due to the absence of any slightly more enlightened characters, was, frankly, jarring. And yet I had to give Proust&#039;s anachronistic subjectivity a bit of leeway, because he was but a person and writer *subject* to the clime of his times. Maybe if you got your head out of the canon-ball &amp; approached literature with a bit more subjectivity, you might actually learn a bit more about poetry and  form some new opinions! Like, for example, that there are many different kinds of poems that mean many different things to people -- and some are &quot;narratives chopped up into strips,&quot; which doesn&#039;t NOT make them poems (is this really a newsflash? God(dess).)

OK, must get back to work... Too-de-loo, gents - and PLEASE do me a favor &amp; read someone that is not Dead and White one of these days.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, because Dickinson, Stevens, Derrida, Proust, Woolf &#8212; all of whom are dead, canonical &#8220;greats&#8221; btw &#8212; are all totally objective writers. Right. I was re-reading Proust just recently, and as wonderful as the prose was (at times &#8212; I also found him &#8220;overwritten, dense and at times pretentious,&#8221; as you say of the writer of this piece), the striking misogyny and offhand classism (eg, the way Swan regards servants as animals), unbalanced due to the absence of any slightly more enlightened characters, was, frankly, jarring. And yet I had to give Proust&#8217;s anachronistic subjectivity a bit of leeway, because he was but a person and writer *subject* to the clime of his times. Maybe if you got your head out of the canon-ball &amp; approached literature with a bit more subjectivity, you might actually learn a bit more about poetry and  form some new opinions! Like, for example, that there are many different kinds of poems that mean many different things to people &#8212; and some are &#8220;narratives chopped up into strips,&#8221; which doesn&#8217;t NOT make them poems (is this really a newsflash? God(dess).)</p>
<p>OK, must get back to work&#8230; Too-de-loo, gents &#8211; and PLEASE do me a favor &amp; read someone that is not Dead and White one of these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Fietsbode</title>
		<link>http://www.openlettersmonthly.com/taxonomy-and-grace/comment-page-2/#comment-4271</link>
		<dc:creator>Fietsbode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 02:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find nothing striking about either of the poems quoted by the author. The language of both is  bland, and in each one a narrative is indeed chopped up into strips. 

I do like some of Merwin&#039;s work, but not this, which would be as good or better as straight prose--and which I had read before as prose. 

I&#039;m afraid that the author&#039;s own prose strikes me as overwritten, dense and at times pretentious--as in his fondness for the word &quot;calibrated.&quot; As for the idea of intimacy or connection, that could apply to any of the arts and not just to poetry, so what makes poetry &quot;poetry&quot;? 

As for me, I admire any writing that takes the top of my head off--Dickinson, Wallace Stevens, Derrida, Proust, Woolf. Fred Jameson, etc.---regardless of genre.  

I agree with one comment that po&#039; biz needs real critics who aren&#039;t afraid to say that certain work is boring or dull or bland or unimaginative or derivative. I&#039;m tired of reading poetry about the poet&#039;s own life and, as a grad school friend of mine put it, his or her &quot;precious subjectivity.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find nothing striking about either of the poems quoted by the author. The language of both is  bland, and in each one a narrative is indeed chopped up into strips. </p>
<p>I do like some of Merwin&#8217;s work, but not this, which would be as good or better as straight prose&#8211;and which I had read before as prose. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid that the author&#8217;s own prose strikes me as overwritten, dense and at times pretentious&#8211;as in his fondness for the word &#8220;calibrated.&#8221; As for the idea of intimacy or connection, that could apply to any of the arts and not just to poetry, so what makes poetry &#8220;poetry&#8221;? </p>
<p>As for me, I admire any writing that takes the top of my head off&#8211;Dickinson, Wallace Stevens, Derrida, Proust, Woolf. Fred Jameson, etc.&#8212;regardless of genre.  </p>
<p>I agree with one comment that po&#8217; biz needs real critics who aren&#8217;t afraid to say that certain work is boring or dull or bland or unimaginative or derivative. I&#8217;m tired of reading poetry about the poet&#8217;s own life and, as a grad school friend of mine put it, his or her &#8220;precious subjectivity.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Shelley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2011 15:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tien Tran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tien Tran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 04:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How many days before a thread sinks back into oblivion? Let&#039;s keep this one alive! It&#039;s of course depressing and comical and uplifting, that any post on poetry is immediately swarmed with commentary, mostly reactionary. But I do want to respond to Shillitoe, if that&#039;s Samson&#039;s real name:

Your point is taken. Too often a sincere piece of writing is immediately shot down; and as it&#039;s been said many times, the discussion forum tends to produce a kind of piranha instinct, which is no credit to anyone involved. This is why many people stay away. However, the objections are legitimate, imho, and I do think that J.W. has skirted some difficult issues, which he himself brought up. You can&#039;t start an article about the deflating effect of AWP and simply blame the state of affairs on the snarkiness of certain critics.

I have said so on spirited occasions in the past, and will again: snark is often a legitimate and wholly appropriate response. If you were living in, say, Communist (current) Vietnam, snark is one of the only defenses that you have against the establishment. If you&#039;re a writer or an ontological reader (to crib a phrase of Geoffrey Hill), who believes that the literature establishment is ruining the meaning and experience of literature (to be dramatic about it; in all likelihood it&#039;s not that bad, though it is bad), then snark may be a legitimate response. Mayakovsky was snarky when he upended poetry readings. Rimbaud was snarky (though he transcended snark and ceased to write poetry). Pope was snarky and was a great poet for it.

In short, I think that J.W. is sincere, but he seriously misses the point - as another reader has said, the article cunningly positions itself in the middle of a very particular (and equally exclusive) school of poetry, i.e. the no-one-is-undeserving and poetry-is-humanity-at-its-best school of poetry that pretty much runs the show (think Seamus Heaney, for example). The inescapable point that J.W. misses is that the industry he participates in (and for which AWP is the mouthpiece) artificially inflates the supply of poetry, leading to over-competition and destruction. Young writers and academics alike are so snarky because there are so many to compete against, for so few jobs.

I propose we make nice, and agree that &quot;there are things that are important beyond all this bother.&quot; If you were ever in Madison, we could talk about it over a pint of fine Wisconsin lager.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many days before a thread sinks back into oblivion? Let&#8217;s keep this one alive! It&#8217;s of course depressing and comical and uplifting, that any post on poetry is immediately swarmed with commentary, mostly reactionary. But I do want to respond to Shillitoe, if that&#8217;s Samson&#8217;s real name:</p>
<p>Your point is taken. Too often a sincere piece of writing is immediately shot down; and as it&#8217;s been said many times, the discussion forum tends to produce a kind of piranha instinct, which is no credit to anyone involved. This is why many people stay away. However, the objections are legitimate, imho, and I do think that J.W. has skirted some difficult issues, which he himself brought up. You can&#8217;t start an article about the deflating effect of AWP and simply blame the state of affairs on the snarkiness of certain critics.</p>
<p>I have said so on spirited occasions in the past, and will again: snark is often a legitimate and wholly appropriate response. If you were living in, say, Communist (current) Vietnam, snark is one of the only defenses that you have against the establishment. If you&#8217;re a writer or an ontological reader (to crib a phrase of Geoffrey Hill), who believes that the literature establishment is ruining the meaning and experience of literature (to be dramatic about it; in all likelihood it&#8217;s not that bad, though it is bad), then snark may be a legitimate response. Mayakovsky was snarky when he upended poetry readings. Rimbaud was snarky (though he transcended snark and ceased to write poetry). Pope was snarky and was a great poet for it.</p>
<p>In short, I think that J.W. is sincere, but he seriously misses the point &#8211; as another reader has said, the article cunningly positions itself in the middle of a very particular (and equally exclusive) school of poetry, i.e. the no-one-is-undeserving and poetry-is-humanity-at-its-best school of poetry that pretty much runs the show (think Seamus Heaney, for example). The inescapable point that J.W. misses is that the industry he participates in (and for which AWP is the mouthpiece) artificially inflates the supply of poetry, leading to over-competition and destruction. Young writers and academics alike are so snarky because there are so many to compete against, for so few jobs.</p>
<p>I propose we make nice, and agree that &#8220;there are things that are important beyond all this bother.&#8221; If you were ever in Madison, we could talk about it over a pint of fine Wisconsin lager.</p>
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		<title>By: Samson Shillitoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samson Shillitoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2011 17:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I note that a greater percentage of these comments proceed from precisely the mentality that Mr. Woods decries.  Game, set and match to Mr. Woods on this one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I note that a greater percentage of these comments proceed from precisely the mentality that Mr. Woods decries.  Game, set and match to Mr. Woods on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.openlettersmonthly.com/taxonomy-and-grace/comment-page-2/#comment-4097</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2011 16:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with so many of you that this started out as a pretty interesting article but then lost its way. I feel bad for the author or anyone else who finds himself stuck in this ludicrous trap of mistaking The Official Academic Thinking for reality. It is really quite sad that otherwise intelligent people find themselves at the mercy of people who make a good living teaching creative writing and can&#039;t make a dollar writing creatively. And even in the unlikely event the professors are successful writers, why should an MFA candidate feel stupid or confused if he can&#039;t pigeonhole his own emerging style into one of the moronic and arbitrary categories the authorities have certified? 

The article is also embarrassingly sloppy. Others have noted the misplaced modifier in the first paragraph, but there is plenty more that disappoints. &quot;Devolve&quot; doesn&#039;t mean &quot;degenerate&quot; or &quot;deteriorate,&quot; but that&#039;s how it&#039;s used here; the excerpt from &quot;Behind Our House,&quot; so important to the author&#039;s story and his life, is so badly misquoted that it doesn&#039;t make sense; the author mistakenly writes &quot;jive&quot; where he means &quot;jibe,&quot; and on and on. I don&#039;t think this is nitpicking; a professional writer - with an MFA, no less - should be able to write, spell, cite, and proofread as competently as we all were expected to do back in high school. Learning simple things like that would have served Mr. Wood better in his quest to move people with his words far better than fretting about pretentious nonsense like taxonomy. Stop biting your nails; get outside and enjoy life a little.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with so many of you that this started out as a pretty interesting article but then lost its way. I feel bad for the author or anyone else who finds himself stuck in this ludicrous trap of mistaking The Official Academic Thinking for reality. It is really quite sad that otherwise intelligent people find themselves at the mercy of people who make a good living teaching creative writing and can&#8217;t make a dollar writing creatively. And even in the unlikely event the professors are successful writers, why should an MFA candidate feel stupid or confused if he can&#8217;t pigeonhole his own emerging style into one of the moronic and arbitrary categories the authorities have certified? </p>
<p>The article is also embarrassingly sloppy. Others have noted the misplaced modifier in the first paragraph, but there is plenty more that disappoints. &#8220;Devolve&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean &#8220;degenerate&#8221; or &#8220;deteriorate,&#8221; but that&#8217;s how it&#8217;s used here; the excerpt from &#8220;Behind Our House,&#8221; so important to the author&#8217;s story and his life, is so badly misquoted that it doesn&#8217;t make sense; the author mistakenly writes &#8220;jive&#8221; where he means &#8220;jibe,&#8221; and on and on. I don&#8217;t think this is nitpicking; a professional writer &#8211; with an MFA, no less &#8211; should be able to write, spell, cite, and proofread as competently as we all were expected to do back in high school. Learning simple things like that would have served Mr. Wood better in his quest to move people with his words far better than fretting about pretentious nonsense like taxonomy. Stop biting your nails; get outside and enjoy life a little.</p>
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		<title>By: Each Breath A Sun &#124; Whimsy Speaks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Each Breath A Sun &#124; Whimsy Speaks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 04:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] an interesting article on the state of poetry (yes, another one) here.  Of course, it mentions Wittgenstein.  He is like [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: David B</title>
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		<dc:creator>David B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 01:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did not know that, now that you mention.

Thought for a while that I might get everything sorted into &#039;Unreal,&#039; but that didn&#039;t work either.

Nope.  I&#039;ve still got some things sorted Real and other sorted Unreal.

Academia...I passed through, and I can tell you.

Very real.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did not know that, now that you mention.</p>
<p>Thought for a while that I might get everything sorted into &#8216;Unreal,&#8217; but that didn&#8217;t work either.</p>
<p>Nope.  I&#8217;ve still got some things sorted Real and other sorted Unreal.</p>
<p>Academia&#8230;I passed through, and I can tell you.</p>
<p>Very real.</p>
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		<title>By: ana bozicevic</title>
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		<dc:creator>ana bozicevic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 22:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joseph, thank you for this well-reasoned and utterly sincere article. I loved the contradictions therein and, gasp, empathize with its lyrical and critical I, which some weisenheimers in these comments seem quite unwilling to do. Cut out the shwordfight gentlemen and go read some poems. Oh, and for the record--academia IS &quot;life&quot;. Everything is real, didn&#039;t you know?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph, thank you for this well-reasoned and utterly sincere article. I loved the contradictions therein and, gasp, empathize with its lyrical and critical I, which some weisenheimers in these comments seem quite unwilling to do. Cut out the shwordfight gentlemen and go read some poems. Oh, and for the record&#8211;academia IS &#8220;life&#8221;. Everything is real, didn&#8217;t you know?</p>
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		<title>By: teaching poetry &#124; Tailfeather</title>
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		<dc:creator>teaching poetry &#124; Tailfeather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 21:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] to the point. I read Joseph Wood&#8217;s piece called Taxonomy and Grace. It made me think about what it means to teach poetry, both to self and other. In it he speaks to [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to the point. I read Joseph Wood&#8217;s piece called Taxonomy and Grace. It made me think about what it means to teach poetry, both to self and other. In it he speaks to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 18:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Charles and Heather:

The verb is &quot;My neighbor &lt;i&gt;walks&lt;/i&gt; crippled ... toward the flag ...&quot; Perhaps the verb was unintentionally left out in the original html and added later, but it&#039;s certainly there now.

I took &quot;half left&quot; to mean &quot;partly tilted,&quot; for whatever that&#039;s worth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles and Heather:</p>
<p>The verb is &#8220;My neighbor <i>walks</i> crippled &#8230; toward the flag &#8230;&#8221; Perhaps the verb was unintentionally left out in the original html and added later, but it&#8217;s certainly there now.</p>
<p>I took &#8220;half left&#8221; to mean &#8220;partly tilted,&#8221; for whatever that&#8217;s worth.</p>
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		<title>By: The Poetical Taxon: A Questionnaire &#124; HTMLGIANT</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Poetical Taxon: A Questionnaire &#124; HTMLGIANT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 18:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] friend Joseph P. Wood wrote an interesting article over at Open Letters Monthly titled, &#8220;Taxonomy and Grace.&#8221; I think his basic thesis is encapsulated in these lines: &#8220;While creative writing in American [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] friend Joseph P. Wood wrote an interesting article over at Open Letters Monthly titled, &#8220;Taxonomy and Grace.&#8221; I think his basic thesis is encapsulated in these lines: &#8220;While creative writing in American [...]</p>
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		<title>By: nobody</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 04:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Could it be that what is wrong with not just poetry but all of it is that &quot;working class, oddly educated, and peculiarly read [writers] with gaping holes in [their] canonical knowledge&quot; are  now running the show?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could it be that what is wrong with not just poetry but all of it is that &#8220;working class, oddly educated, and peculiarly read [writers] with gaping holes in [their] canonical knowledge&#8221; are  now running the show?</p>
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		<title>By: David B</title>
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		<dc:creator>David B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 01:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, and one other thing...

No, I just wanted to mention that with the correction of the typo, that was how I had been reading it anyway (until Charles pointed out how an observant reader would go about it), my mind filling in the corrections, as when you cn rd smthng wth th vwls rmvd without even noticing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and one other thing&#8230;</p>
<p>No, I just wanted to mention that with the correction of the typo, that was how I had been reading it anyway (until Charles pointed out how an observant reader would go about it), my mind filling in the corrections, as when you cn rd smthng wth th vwls rmvd without even noticing.</p>
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